七 步 城 思 Life is beautiful Life is a struggle Life.... is a beautiful struggle (A line by John Coltrane. I learned it from the ’Marxism festival 2006’ in London)

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The above metaphor in &quotgo home and on holiday&quot is so interesting.

No, they are not in opposing concept. But I don’t think it’s suitable in my opinion. Of course you can say “come back” to UK in your mind. But it’s not suitable to use “come back” in general or most other people. Will you “go back” to Macao after you finished your study in UK? (assume I’m UK people).

In the case of 豆腐渣工程 , the point is that the result and which more important. Later or same step, which is more suitable?

I hope that it will be useful for your thesis.

I can totally relate to this quote:

&quot一個人所屬的國族，不應該是按照其種族或出生地，
而是取決於這個人的心靈的喜好與歸屬。&quot

I am a Macau native but I chose to be an American and live in a city of my choice. People have no choice as to where they were born so why should we force them to embrace their place-of-birth? People are free to call whereever they feel comfortable home.

zone=zoe, I don`t see why we need to restrict the term `come back` to a single locality. Are we not allowed to have more than one homes?

By the way, I look forward to seeing your critique on Sex and the city - The movie. When will you finish your PhD and what`s your next plan? I hope you`ll keep on writing.

雖然一直都有關注此站,但已很久沒有在這留言了。看到標題回家‧放假就很有感覺,很想回話。羡慕你可以到外面透透氣, 放假的感覺真好。

Zone = Zoe:
謝謝你!
你提出的問題很重要,就是社會上普遍如何定義「回」跟「去」. 我想,這就是這個世代嘗試去顛覆的既定概念. 以我的情況,其實,我既可以是「回」英國,也可以是「回」澳門. 也就是說那是一個流動的概念.

小漁:
謝謝你! 我非常贊同!
把其他地方視為家,同時也認同自己的出生地,就是我想強調的. 至於SEX AND THE CITY我也剛看了,希望未來兩周可以寫稿. 多謝捧場! ;-)

竹喧:
很久不見!
回家跟放假的感覺,其實同樣的好!

小漁:
The writer talked the term of ‘come back’ first. Don’t argue with you about the term lor if you don’t like to talk the term. Ok, turn to talk with you the truth. Whether are allowed to have more than one homes? I think it depends on the relation of home and nationality. You are surely allowed to have more than one homes for your case(but most people are not allowed to have more than one homes)if home equal to nationality. Of course all people are allowed to have more than one homes if home not equal to nationality. Base on the quote:
“一個人所屬的國族，不應該是按照其種族或出生地，而是取決於這個人的心靈的喜好與歸屬”
It`s clearly not allowed to be a national from the quote. Because people must have the Identity Card/passport then can be a citizen of the country in law now. In fact, home is different with nationality. It`s your own wishful thinking to say you have two nationalities if you just go to study abroad.

By the way, the love of wishful thinking haven`t happiness. What do you want to do on holiday? ^^

Dear Zone,

I am not entirely sure if I understand what you are trying to say in your distinctive way of writing. But this is what I think:

1. You said &quotDon`t argue with you about the term lor if you don`t like to talk the term.&quot

Well, first of all, I never said I do not like the term. All I was saying is that whether one should use the term 回 or 去 is entirely up to them. Like Pan said, they are two very fluid concepts.

2. In my opinion, home and nationality are two different concepts. It is sad that some people tend to associate one with another.

3. You said, &quotIt`s your own wishful thinking to say you have two nationalities if you just go to study abroad.&quot

Where does this come from? All Pan was saying is that as a foregin student he feels at home in Britain. Is he not allowed to call Britain his home without a British passport?

4. I really would like to respond to your last question. Unfortunately I cannot comprehend what you were trying to say.

I strongly believe that people are free to call whereever they like their homes regardless of their right of residence. Home is a culturally defined concept. People who grow up in an agricultural society will not define `home` the same way the nomads do.

Hope it clarified my points.

Best wishes, 小漁

Pan: Your earlier essay on Sex and the City is very interesting. I look forward to your next one. I really like Samantha Jones`s ending in The Movie. It`s very Samantha. :)

我讚同zone先救人後追究豆腐渣工程

看來開始有火藥味了。

聽不到展鵬哥的s笑話,真是有點失落呢~~

很精彩的辯論，期待Zone的回貼。

“回”或“去”一个地方，它的定义并不是很重要。最重要还是对那个地方是否有“归属感”（sense of belonging）？

最近重新看未看完的一本書,<地方:記憶、想像與認同>(Tim Cresswell),很多對家的啟發,也讓我思考劇場中一些關於&quot地方感&quot的認同問題.三年前離開倫敦回澳時,也真有點離鄉的感覺,英國畢竟是個令人討厭又難忘的地方.

我想我們的爭議在時間上，這是問題所在。 正如Zone所說&quotsame step or later&quot我想一定不是救人與追究責任同歩進行吧， 究竟這個&quotlater&quot相隔多長時間才是最合適的追究責任呢? 如果相隔太長時間對Zone在這樣的命題下辯論太不公平了。

Dear小漁

Firstly, it’s not just have two choices but also need approval by the government of the country as you from the quote「所謂的「家」，所謂的「國族認同」，其實可以是一樣很不確定的、很彈性的東西。”就像”十九世紀時，非常痛恨法國又曾經遠行埃及的福樓拜說過的：
一個人所屬的”國族”，不應該是按照其種族或出生地，而是取決於這個人的心靈的”喜好與歸屬”」which is a special case. I just mentioned my opinion about the “home” and “ nationality” last time. I haven’t talking about writer. Where can you find related to “writer/uk/” from the sentence of 「It’s your own wishful thinking to say “you/someone” have two nationalities if you just go to study “abroad”」Is it possible that you are really don’t understand my meaning? Actually, I have a little bit dissatisfied that you standed writer’s side. What’s why I said “lor”

Besides, “Is he not allowed to call Britain his home without a British passport?” sorry, I’ve no answer. It’s just a sense of belonging as孤蝶 and it’s feeling as忠 but not “home” which I have mentioned the point for other people opinion before. As you said that it’s a “fluid” concepts but not “absolute”. Where is his/her house/flat when someone who graduated his/her study abroad to go back to his/her original country? How come have a “home” for long term? (in general)

Lastly, I was trying to change to talk another topic of “love” and want to know more about you, my dear! Else, I want to prove another point which it’s so meaningful for you, be careful to answer! But you don’t extremely understand my last question “What do you want to do on holiday?” I won’t tell if you don’t answer me first. ^ ^

(Once again, don’t talk special case)

Best wishes, Zone

小玉: 謝謝! 英雄所見略同。

文文: 辯論? 言重了。你是站在哪方的?

zone：我是英雌啊!

Zone:

If you believe you were misunderstood, I will encourage you to write in Chinese. I have to say I do not understand your English. I reckon we`ll have a more productive conversation when you communicate in a language you are comfortable with.

After reading your second response, I still have no idea what you meant when you said &quotthe love of wishful thinking haven`t happiness.&quot and &quotyou don`t extremely understand my last question.&quot I would appreciate if some intelligent people out there could translate the above sentences for me.

In fact, if you could transalte your response in Chinese I would be happy to continue the conversation. Sorry to bother you but I really don`t understand your English. Perhaps you can seek help from an English language centre?

Zone：我是中立的。

小漁：希望未來兩個星期會談談ＳＡＴＣ．到時等你來回應!

小玉& ZONE & 孤蝶 & 文文:　謝謝你們的討論．這裡有一陣子沒這麼熱鬧．

太皮: 這就是對本人的最大讚美了,HAHA

忠: 我覺得你好勁. 你不只一次提到的書,都是我論文的書單,包括上次的the tourist gaze. 好佩服你自動自覺睇咁多學術野．如果唔係攬左另一個課程上身，我估我大概唔會睇呢ｄ野．看來我的論文要請教你．　：－）

這些&quot學術&quot書雖然學術,但也寫得很好看, 當散文看O者.