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Same-sex Marriage in Taiwan? Thoughts needed


Same-sex marriage has become a "right" included in the US constitution. It is expected that this issue will be highlighted in the coming ROC presidential election and possibly also become lawful in Taiwan in the very near future if we do not act now.
As Christian, our stand is crystal clear! However, besides “Bible is against gay marriage”, is there something else we can say to win non-Christian people to God’s side? This discussion is super important! Please click here to join discussion! Any thought is welcomed!
Same-sex marriage has become a "right" included in the US constitution. It is expected that this issue will be highlighted in the coming ROC presidential election and possibly also become lawful in Taiwan in the very near future if we do not act NOW.

As Christian, our stand is crystal clear! However, besides “Bible is against gay marriage”, is there something else we can say to win non-Christian people to God’s side? This discussion is super important! Please share your thoughts! Any thought is welcomed!

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Tina: 竟然搶到沙發
叫我第一名啦! 但我不會英文.

同意樓主的看法, 同性平權議題一定會在大選中發燒的, 而且為了短期選票, 兩黨候選人都會對同性平權表示支持的. 這種氣氛一旦形成, 同性平權入法就只是時間問題.

但覺得台灣的基督徒們沒有很緊張啊?
2015-07-01 15:40:51
It should not a war between gay and Christian
We discussed it during lunch break, and we do worry about the direction where the public opinion is now going.

Gay orgs. are good at marketing! We see recently happy faces of gay couple and their adopted children all over TV and Internet. People are saying to Christian: why on earth do you want to destroy those happy families? We need to prepare better argument and tell the world that this is not a war between Christian and gay communities
2015-07-01 16:28:27
Keen: introducing new perspective
If the public see this as a disagreement between gay communities and Christian communities, I think we will lose. However, if we can introduce deeper reality like this issue is about national security (as it will seriously affect the constitution of population) and it will eventually become everyone's problem, then we still have a chance.
2015-07-01 17:50:17
新的論述
Keen說得不錯。但上周去教會時，牧師仍一味指出聖經的教導。聖經對我們來說是最高的權威，但對一般人是沒用的，也無法獲得支持，這是嚴重的問題。我不知其他教會的情況如何？

這次有美國最高法院的加持，同志團體會更有立場要求台灣當局比照辦理，我們很需要社會學家和人類學家參與。

期待台灣能守住這道防線，否則我們真的對不起神！
2015-07-01 17:54:28
Take a look at this video: students say about gay "marriage"
Take a look, it might be of assistance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUTamXcimfIHE7tMBzTRiFKw&t=414&v=gnVWJPeBIzo
2015-07-01 18:12:47
Evidence on parenting by same-sex couples is inadequate (KJ)
A number of leading professional associations have asserted that there are "no differences" between children raised by homosexuals and those raised by heterosexuals. But the research in this area is quite preliminary; most of the studies are done by advocates and most suffer from serious methodological problems. Sociologist Steven Nock of the University of Virginia, who is agnostic on the issue of same-sex civil marriage, offered this review of the literature on gay parenting as an expert witness for a Canadian court considering legalization of same-sex civil marriage:

Through this analysis I draw my conclusions that 1) all of the articles I reviewed contained at least one fatal flaw of design or execution; and 2) not a single one of those studies was conducted according to general accepted standards of scientific research.

This is not exactly the kind of social scientific evidence you would want to launch a major family experiment.

Source: Steven Nock, affidavit to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice regarding Hedy Halpern et al. University of Virginia Sociology Department (2001).
2015-07-01 18:17:07
This is how most people see us! Be alert!!
Christian community in America put on a great fight against gay "marriage". At the same time, check this video and see if you can get more insights about this opinion war. You are not going to enjoy it.

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPJ8xI62gc
2015-07-01 19:00:53
A very trying time with few options
Obama is very open about his support to gay "marriage", and he took the office for two terms. I think in the coming presidential election in ROC, candidates will have no choice but show support to gay community to gain popularity (I hope I am wrong). The only thing the Christian communities in Taiwan can do and should do is to postpone the relating discussion to other time so more rational opinions can be heard. And the only way to do this is to demonstate it on the street. Sorry, no other way! And Christian communities in Taiwan should now prepare to do that!
2015-07-01 19:13:15
Gay communities challenge you face to face... With threats
This is what happen when this kind of idea is backed by "us (useless) supreme court"

This video is watched over 10 million times and spread on FB quick. You should watch it too to know better!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-YCdcnf_P8
2015-07-01 19:24:16
Jean (KJ): Hope Taiwan is not the next place to fall
My prayer is that Taiwan will not be the next place to fall.

While we see church communities here in Taiwan acted passively and powerlessly last week, Christian communities in the US have put huge resources (articles, video, debates, sharing experiences) onto the Internet for our references. And we should dig into it and prepare our fight!
2015-07-01 20:27:26
Steve (KJ) a article by a pastor
Great article from a pastor! He points out 5 things for us to ponder upon:

Article links: http://careynieuwhof.com/2015/06/some-advice-on-same-sex-marriage-for-us-church-leaders-from-a-canadian/

1. The church has always been counter-cultural

2. It’s actually strange to ask non-Christians to hold Christian values

3. You’ve been dealing with sex outside of traditional marriage for a LONG time

4. The early church never looked to the government for guidance

5. Our judgment of LGBT people is destroying any potential relationship

However, it does not mean we should go with the flow and sit by the sideline. We are responsible to manage the world as best as we can. That's one major reason why God put us in this world.

Note that we should fight Satan, not gay people! Not mention to hate them.
2015-07-01 20:35:59
Kevin (KJ) The temptation and reality
The temptation, then, is for Christians go silent and give up the marriage fight: “It’s no use staying in this battle,” we think to ourselves. “We don’t have to change our personal position. We’ll keep speaking the truth and upholding the Bible in our churches, but getting worked up over gay marriage in the public square is counter productive. It’s a waste of time. It makes us look bad. It ruins our witness. And we’ve already lost. Time to throw in the towel.” I understand that temptation. It is an easier way. But I do not think it is the right way, the God glorifying way, or the way of love.

The reality is, every time the issue of gay marriage has been put to a vote by the people, the people have voted to uphold traditional marriage. Even in California. In fact, the amendment passed in North Carolina on Tuesday by a wider margin (61-39) than a similar measure passed six years ago in Virginia (57-42). The amendment passed in North Carolina, a swing state Obama carried in 2008, by 22 percentage points. We should not think that gay marriage in all the land is a foregone conclusion. To date 30 states have constitutionally defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Wake up! People!
2015-07-02 12:01:14
voice in the wilderness
Allowing for the legalization of gay marriage further normalizes what was until very recently, and still should be, considered deviant behavior. While it’s true that politics is downstream from culture, it’s also true that law is one of the tributaries contributing to culture. In our age of hyper-tolerance we try to avoid stigmas, but stigmas can be an expression of common grace. Who knows how many stupid sinful things I’ve been kept from doing because I knew my peers and my community would deem it shameful. Our cultural elites may never consider homosexuality shameful, but amendments that define marriage as one man and one woman serve a noble end by defining what is as what ought to be. We do not help each other in the fight for holiness when we allow for righteousness to look increasingly strange and sin to look increasingly normal.
2015-07-02 16:08:35
Breaking News: Gay Marriage in Taiwan
美國同性婚姻合法化之後引起連鎖反應，但大選在即，朝野對於同性婚姻修法見解多持有保留意見。

法務部政務次長陳明堂表示，同性結婚議題目前在台灣仍有極大爭議，修法應避免一步到位，暫不考慮同性婚姻在台灣合法化。

內政部長陳威仁表示，台灣社會一時之間難有共識，但可先朝如何確保同性伴侶權利，例如從確保財產繼承權的方向來做。

台灣立法院司法及法制委員會去年12月首度併案審查攸關婚姻平權的「民法親屬編部分條文修正草案」，但未進入逐條討論。有民進黨立委積極提案，希望爭取修正民法中的「親屬編」和「繼承權」部分條文，允許同性婚姻，但遭到法務部的反對。

司法及法制委員會召委呂學樟28日說，並非不支持同性婚姻，但民法親屬編部分條文修正草案，將“男、女、父、母”等字拿掉，將改變千百年來的綱常倫理，他不贊同。

國民黨政策委員會執行長賴士葆也表示：黨團還未作出同性婚姻議題結論。

This is one of my many reasons to support BLUE POWER in Taiwan. ^^
2015-07-02 16:17:39
Top two presidential candidates in Taiwan have aired their support for gay marriage. This is the reality of politics
Source: http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=2761117

Democratic Progressive Party Chairwoman Tsai Ing-wen expressed her approval of developments in the US by posting a rainbow-colored logo with the word “equality” on her Facebook page, but she said there was no consensus in Taiwan on the issue yet, so more dialogue would be needed to bring the two sides closer together.

Her likely rival in the January 16 presidential election, Legislative Vice Speaker Hung Hsiu-chu, wrote the message “Only with more dialogue and communication will true equality come.” She said she supported “all the people who love each other” and would promote more dialogue to reach a consensus.

Hung’s party, the Kuomintang, called for respect for diverse opinions, allowing “the rainbow to be seen.”
2015-07-02 22:45:50
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